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-Common arguments by Trans folks:
+Common arguments by Anti-Trans folks:
-What is the definition of (woman/man)? - TODO
+==== What is the definition of (woman/man)? ====
+The correct response is "A woman is someone who identifies as a woman".
+Sometimes, people reject this statement and claim it's a circular definition and not valid.
+However, it isn't a circular definition, because of use-mention distinction in philosophy:
+A woman (use case) is someone who identifies as a woman (mention case)
+Some say sex is based on the gametes someone produces. However, there's people who do not produce them.
+The counter-argument is that that someone should be male or female, based on what their body "should do".
+Bodies are not teleological however, are aren't "meant" to produce female or male gametes. They just are. There are people who produce both gametes too.
+Thus, sex is not binary, and there isn't a way to group people into "man" and "woman".
+https://kim-hipwell.medium.com/why-gamete-production-does-not-define-sex-ae80eb67c379
+==== "We can always tell when someone is transgender" ====
+Not true. And it's up to a person to decide if they want to use the label transgender.
+**Trans people have already been using the bathroom!**. Transgender people existed for centuries.
+Security guard kicked cis-women out of bathroom, as he thought she wasn't a women https://web.archive.org/web/20250506170851/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/boston-hotel-bathroom-same-sex-couple
+==== It’s unsafe for trans women to use the women’s bathroom ====
+No evidence was found that trans women using bathroom increases safety concerns.
+More importantly, studies have reported trans and non-binary youth  are at higher risk for sexual assault when not using the bathroom they identify with.
+https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/143/6/e20182902/76816/School-Restroom-and-Locker-Room-Restrictions-and?redirectedFrom=fulltext
+https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-Bathroom-Access-Feb-2025.pdf
+==== If I have to allow people to identify as any gender, then I have to anyone to identify as animals/other objects ====
+This is a known as a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope|Slippery Slope fallacy]] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4f7QrfRRc).
+This is unrelated to addressing a person's preferred gender and name.
+If you run the argument backwards to as "not allow", then you can run into a bad conclusion too.
+While the argument is valid form, it's not sound.
-"We can always tell when someone is transgender" -
-Security gaurd kicked cis-women out of bathroom, as he thought she wasn't a women https://web.archive.org/web/20250506170851/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/boston-hotel-bathroom-same-sex-couple